Matt Dillahunty and Russell Glasser have a conversation across the divide with professional apologist Ray Comfort.

Two arguments Ray loves to bring up, are Something from Nothing and A Painting Requires a Painter. That things in nature, including the universe itself, appear to be designed, is intuitive to us, because we are pattern-seeking creatures.

But where Christians like Ray go phenomenally wrong is in confusing and conflating order and design. Design, at least as Christians use the term, implies intelligent agency and purpose. Order is entailed by the nature of existence itself.

Ray lives in a curious alternate-reality in which he claims everything is the product of divine design, which prompts the question of how he knows (other than the Bible told him so), what frame of reference he is using to distinguish design from non-design.

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